'Grinding' Dance Prohibited at LZHS
Lake Zurich High School administration says sexually explicit dancing is unacceptable at school sponsored dances.
The Lake Zurich High School administration has issued new rules for student dances and has prohibited “grinding” back-to-front dancing at school functions.
The new rule comes in time for the Lake Zurich High School homecoming dance to be held Saturday, Oct. 6.
Lake Zurich High School sent a letter to parents and students explaining the new dance rules.
The letter said the new rules were in response to students who said they feel uncomfortable with the style of dancing and parents and teachers who voiced their concerns.
The letter says “grinding” has become increasingly popular at school dances and provides a graphic description for parents.
In response to the new rules, a group of students decided to run a separate dance on Oct. 6. According to the group’s Facebook page, “The Real LZ Homecoming,” the dance was to be held at the Lake Barrington Field House. However, the Field House management decided against hosting the dance. Ryan Miller, Lake Barrington Field house manager, announced to Patch on Friday night: "Due to many challenges with the event and some conversations with staff at LZHS, the Lake Barrington Field House will not be hosting an alternative dance or event . . ."
Neighboring Stevenson High School in Buffalo Grove has also issued new rules on school dances. Stevenson provides very specific rules regarding girls dresses and very specific prohibitions against grinding and other dance moves.
Grayslake High School administration sends letters to parents of teenagers reminding kids of appropriate dance behavior.
High schools across the country have been dealing with the issue of inappropriate dancing, for a couple of years. According to msnbc.com, Pacific Hills School in West Hollywood threatened to turn up the lights and play Burt Bacharach if students started to grind. Other schools are requiring students to sign contracts geared toward eliminating “lewd contact”
Editor's note: This article was updated on Sept. 15 to include information from Lake Barrington Field House that the venue will not a host an alternative homecoming dance.
Concerned parent
12:20 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
Even adults would not interact in this manner when going "out on the town." This grinding behavior is right out of a pornographic film - and I congratulate the high schools for enacting these new rules. The students are simply out of hand.
Cornelius
12:08 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
....replace the word 'grinding' with 'ragtime dance' and you'll have the same mentality as somebody from the 1920's.
Bob
2:53 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
Get over yourself. You're confusing grinding with pornography which is exactly what we shouldn't be teaching children. They need to understand their body and without doing so they are unable to respect it. I'd like to refer to the movie Footloose as prohibiting children from dancing led them to....wait for it....dancing. So instead of hiding from problems we should; resolve them and educate more.
Jen
3:32 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
Wow.
Dumb just keeps on getting dumber.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having expectations for teenagers. If they want to "understand their bodies" they can masturbate in the privacy of their own homes. Dry humping has no place at a school function. Do you "grind" at work? Is it allowed? Why should we give our CHILDREN a free pass to do it?
No one is getting all tweaked out over the every day dress code. Everyone abides by it. Why aren't the parents and students rallying together to open their own school, free from any dress codes? Why not fight for their right to dress like thugs and sluts every day of the week?
This "real" homecoming is real, all right. It's a real annoyance. It's a real potential problem for student athletes. It's a real distraction from what these kids SHOULD be focusing on. Gosh, if this "real homecoming" committee put half the effort into solving hunger or abuse as they have into this party, imagine how much better our community and society could be!
Cornelius
12:18 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Yes, let's all just lay down while youth culture gets bulldozed.
Bob
9:26 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
You're right we shouldn't give our children a free pass to do it!
We should send the message that "sexuality" is inappropriate, and force them to do it on their own time where there isn't supervision. Last time I checked and if you are unaware, people wear clothes when they "grind." I'm no doctor but I'd imagine it’s pretty hard to get someone pregnant while wearing clothes, maybe you have experienced otherwise. It's ignorant to think that if you prevent "grinding" children will be better people.
If you're fighting over something as stupid as "grinding" them maybe you should take some of your own advice. Focus your time on solving world hunger, abuse, or perhaps parenting. As for the dress codes regardless of what people wear, guess what? People will act like thugs and sluts and people have the "choice" to make their decisions. Instead of focusing on "grinding" spend it on making sure your children make the right choices. I've met those who were raised by force they turn into… see above i.e. sluts and thugs.
Petra Croneigh
6:34 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
I remember 6-8 years ago that grinding was prohibited at school dances. It's been going on for years, ask students who have graduated... they can tell you what they were told. Administration has to put into print to remind parents that their children should behave respectfully...
Cornelius
12:19 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Yeah that's not true. I was there.
kel
6:55 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
Apparently, it's okay on TV, but not in real life. Hmmm.
Rainstreet
8:50 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Kel
You are not very smart, are you? They show naked people on TV too but it NOT ok in a high school setting. Just like the "grinding"!!!
GiveMeABreak
12:50 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Jen WELL SAID!! Its simple, have self respect. Treat your classmates with respect. Also, the "Real Homecoming" should have never gotten as far as it did. It was the ultimate "You Can't Tell Me What To Do" hissy fit. Guess what boys and girls, you are on a slippery slope to the real world where you will be told what to do and have to be respectful to people in public every day of the week so get used to it now.
When all these kids have children of their own they will finally understand why kids (all people) need rules. Hopefully it will not take that long but if they cave to every "you can't tell me what to do" hissy fit maybe the whole "rule thing" will finally make sense to them.
Cornelius
1:17 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
@GiveMeABreak Right, mutually agreed upon dancing isn't "respecting our classmates." Not sure if you know this, but they've been saying this about the new generations dancing for hundreds of years. Hell they thought the Charleston was sexual. You're fighting a losing battle.
Kevin
10:32 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
The dance is in response to a number of new rules poorly communicated by administration. Does everyone remember the folly that was "drug testing" last year? Is a separate "grinding allowed" supervised, secured dance the best form of revolt? Maybe not, but kudos to the students for questioning authority and planning responsibly. Kind of sounds like Footloose.
Rainstreet
8:57 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Planning responsibly? What you are saying is because they can dress like prostitues and grind with each other, that is responsible? Come on!!! these kids will now go to the alternate dance so they can dress like they want, dance how they want, drink as much alcohol as they want, take as many drugs as they want because there will be not consequences to their actions of they are caught. And if they are caught, what can anyone do? NOTHING!!!!! That is not responsible. That is a bunch of 16/17 year old thinking they are acting like adults because their parents don't have the guts not to be their friend and be the parents they should be.
Kevin
10:20 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
By the way rainstreet, you are quite the paranoid one. Police were hired, purses and bags were to be checked and parents were to chaparone. It would likely be more supervised than the traditional dance. From what I understand from the kids, most girls already had their homecoming dresses that would have conformed to LZ standards. This is the problem. Too many people comment without accurate information even though it is all out there if you look for it. Such comments like rainstreets are misinformed at best and quite ignorant of the facts.
renee
8:09 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
As a Lake Zurich resident and a middle school teacher in a neighboring district I am appalled by the support from parents and some of the LZ high school teachers for this alternative dance in Barrington. Any adult who has ever chaperoned a school dance knows that provocative dancing has gotten out of control. I have seen it at the middle school level and it breaks my heart. 15 years ago I was I was enjoying my homecoming dance and I didn't have to be half naked and dry humping boys to have a good time. Teens today SHOULD NOT EITHER!
Parents and community members let's support out school! Let's stand up for integrity and modesty. Stop trying to be your son or daughters cool friend and start PARENTING!! The prefrontal cortex that controls reasoning and and impulses doesn't fully mature until age 25. Think about that...these high school kids lack developed reasoning yet in today's world parents bend at every word and desire their teenagers have. Does that seem right? Teach your kids to honor rules, teacher your kids to respect authority, and teach
your kids to have some class by not simulating sex on the dance floor. We need a generation of thoughtful leaders not a generation of entitled followers.
Kevin
8:31 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Renee, your comments are thoughtful and well intended and you correctly point out important cognitive development information. You also mention that you have seen grinding in your own school, something LZ students have been allowed to do since they were in middle school. As usual, those parents who thought they were parenting, are now shocked. They probably would be shocked to know the other things their children are doing as well. Maybe as shocked as our own parents were. I would caution restraint in criticizing the parenting styles of others. Perhaps if we listen to our students, we can understand the source of their frustration and ultimately better educate them.
Claudia Lenart
8:58 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Update: The Field House will not be hosting the alternative dance; see updated information in article.
Jan
9:27 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
LZHS is a public high school.The administration has a responsibility to the entire community to provide a safe, moral, healthy environment for the children of the community which it serves. As members of the community we expect our children to be able to attend school and other functions free from alcohol, drugs, and weapons.What makes overt sexual behavior and dress any different? The community is comprised of a diverse group of families with an array of different beliefs,religions and values. But we all share a common goal within the community to be responsible to each other and to all our children.As parents we want our children to be happy, but their happiness is built on a foundation we are responsible for constructing. Acceptable public behavior is expected in all areas of our lives.Schools, churches, libraries,workplaces,airports, stores, parks....... On and on the list goes. Each generation pushes the rules and mores of the previous one. We did, our parents did. As the generation responsible for constructing and guiding the next generation we owe it to our children to push back. They will not collapse from being asked to conform to an acceptable community standard and behavior.They will not be less popular or have their happiness voided. They will eventually accept and move on to another challenge and life experience.If they don't accept it, then when they become the generation responsible for leading their youth and community they can do something about it.
Cornelius
12:12 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Dances aren't mandatory. Don't like how teenagers dance? Don't send your kids there. Better not send them to college either because that's ALL we do here.
renee
9:50 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Jan, well said and I could not agree more!
Kevin
10:08 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
I don't know anymore regarding this dance than any of you but did hear from the administration that because it was not a school event, they were unable to comment or interfere. Yet the students were thwarted at every turn as evidenced by this article. Who is making the decisions here--parents or the administration? Next, are they going to tell us when we can hold a birthday party? Do coaches have the right to override parents? The key is to promote better communication with your own children and not leave the decisions to an administration willing to deceive students in order to protect their own interests.
John Jay
10:13 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
It seems that every adult in this town knows exactly what is best for every child in this town. I'm so happy to live in the town of the absolutely most intelligent adults in the world, because otherwise I'm sure none of these people could be so arrogant as to pretend that they know what is best for every student in the high school.
Terri Timonen
11:35 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
No matter what side you're on, I think most of us will agree that this controversy has created an opportunity to open up a dialogue between parents and teens. Anytime we can have a "real" conversation with our kids, it's a win-win. And just maybe, the real issue isn't necessarily about banning "grind dancing", but more about how the decision was made, who was included in the decision-making process, and the "tone" and "manner" in which the message was delivered.
Mary Therese
4:57 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
If I were you parents I would be less concerned with a bunch of kids trying to pull off some off school dance which is pretty unlikely and has gotten way too much attention by way too many people... I would be concerned with the bullying going on on that facebook page! Young ladies being called bitches because they don't agree, facebook chats being copied and pasted to humiliate, football players not being respected for their own commitments... actually no opinion besides theirs is acceptable! In this atmosphere of bullying especially on the internet... I am thinking the parents and teens and school administrators should put their attention there...
Cornelius
5:09 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Sage
6:11 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Good point! That facebook page IS full of bullying - of other students, of parents, and of the school/administration. Maybe Cornelius hasn't looked at that page yet...(there's a link to it in the story). I thought anti-bullying was supposed to be a big deal at schools these days...
Sage
5:59 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
This student rebellion is so immature and ruining a festive tradition for everyone....over not being able to "grind" on the dance floor?? LOL wow! How about standing up for something important? It's not too much to ask students to be respectful and to not be disgusting in public. It's not unreasonable to ask for an environment where students aren't put in a position to have to say "no" if they are dancing and someone starts "grinding" with them. Fighting some crusade to be able to "grind" at a dance? Geez! "Grind" another time! What an embarrassment to themselves, their families, and their school with this group of rude spoiled kids.
Cornelius
7:46 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
You're so ignorant of the next generation I'm almost positive you're trolling.
Kevin
12:50 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
I assume that if you have children at the high school and you communicate with them, you understand that the issue here is not grinding, a dance form I wouldn't expect any person over 30 would be comfortable with although as others point out is likely what they will run into when they leave here and go on to college. Issues here surround how the administration is carrying out and communicating a variety of new rules, maybe simple things to parents but obviously a big deal to the students. I don't agree with all their actions but certainly support their right to question. Heck, some of these kids on both sides of the issue will be voting for our next President. As far as bullying on the site I saw, no doubt, but they may have learned it from coaches and moderators who threatened retribution for attending a non-school related event. I hope the students, faculty and administrators will come to some understanding. Hemingway once called the suburbs a place with vast yards and narrow minds--let's not let old Earnest's characterization of us be valid.
Sage
8:51 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
I do not have children at the high school, but I don't need to in order see what is going on, and to find it ridiculous and blown way out of proportion no matter what they are unhappy with. I'm also not over 30, and I remember "unfair" rules from when I was in high school, not that long ago. I still do not believe that a school asking kids not to grind is unreasonable. This article explained that the group was in response to the school's grinding rules. Maybe your inside information about what's happening with other school rules would be useful to the reporter. I really don't buy it that they are learning this sort of bullying from their coaches. Perhaps students could use some guidance on the appropriate, mature way to go about questioning rules. I also hope that they will come to an understanding soon and enjoy the rest of the school year together.
Kevin
9:57 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Sage, I have no inside information, it's all available on various websites, etc. but it is easier for the kids, parents and school (and yes the reporter) to focus on the grinding issue. Truth be told, we are late to the game--this argument has been in the news for years--but it lights a fire under everyone. What concerns me is that these kind of debates are somewhat normal--high school students always question authority but I cringe at an administration that would Inappropriately use their influence to stop a non-school event. If I as a parent don't want my child to attend, I will discuss that with him not rely on some high school staff member to do it for me.
Rainstreet
2:19 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
I do have inside information. When I spoke to the organizers of the dance, they said the reason they were having this dance was so they could wear what they want and dance how they want. Period. I know the students and I know exactly what I'm talking about. It is people like YOU who don't know and think everything you read on facebook or any other blog set uo by high school students is all factual. It is not. The students were hiring 1 off duty police officer to be in charge of the whole dance. And as far as parent chaparones, the did not have even one volunteer as of Friday. I do know what i'm talking about. I'm not sure why you are defending this so much. And, as far as the students not happy about the new rules, the only new rule this year is that they are not allowed to gring. That's the only new rule. Every year the junior class thinks they make new rules when the school does not.
So Kevin, please get YOUR facts straight and try not to sound so ignorant, PLEASE!!!!
Lead Follow or Get Out of the Way
10:42 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Maybe they should start each dance with a lesson! http://youtu.be/4s21sg0goqM
Kevin
2:52 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Rainstreet, you are clearly misguided and hilariously misinformed. Even if there was a single policeman there, your comments about drinking, drugs etc are laughable. As for chaperones, no dance, no need. I have no skin in the game, just simply defend the right of people to seek truthful information and hesitant to support an administration that clearly has overstepped its boundaries.
Rainstreet
3:00 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
How have they overstepped their boundries?
Kevin
3:22 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
It is simple--The article states that the Fieldhouse had discussions with the administration. Why, it was not an LZHS event. Athletes and members of other student groups were told not to go or they would suffer penalties. Not legal nor ethical. The law of "in loco parentis" or acting in the best interest of students does not extend to private assemblies. Like everyone, I would clearly want to see one homecoming and hope that all parties come together.
DD
10:05 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Here's an article on an alternative dance organized by students when their administrator's banned the "grinding" Dance. The difference...their Administrator's didn't interfere in the alternative dance because it was a planned event outside of school. We all have a difference of opinion and parent as we choose. I feel the rights of those students who choose not to attend the school's dance and prefer to plan their own have been violated. I do feel there are more important issues to focus on and "dancing" isn't one of them. FYI. The "grinding" dance has been the universal dance for quite awhile now and is how teens & young adults around the world are dancing today! The parents wearing their blinders need to open up their eyes. We were all young and not too long ago, where our dancing style and dress also affended some adults & parents. I didn't dance or dress to be disrespectful but expressing my own individuality, just as the kids are today. There are only a handful of dances during the school year. I would rather have them at the school, having fun and chaperoned for a couple of hours, versus driving around, doing drugs, drinking and having sex in the backseat of a car. Most of our kids will be young adults & in college soon, working or fighting in a war. You can't baby them forever. Here's the article...
http://marion.patch.com/articles/should-the-linn-mar-school-district-ban-grinding
DD
10:17 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Also, I'm lucky to have two wonderful kids who communicate openly with me. My oldest survived 4 years of "grinding" dances at LZHS. She is not sexually active now and never was in high school but continues to do the "grind" dance at the clubs. She very bright, in honor society at the university, in a sorority, works 2 jobs, highly respected and never suffered psychological damage from grinding. She couldn't wait to graduate and never enjoyed attending LZHS because of the rules. She enjoys her college freedom and the respect she gets from the instructors and administrators. I know I am a good parent and did a good job raising my kids. Just because I allow hem to be who they are, and make some of their own decisions, doesn't make me a bad parent. We can only guide and teach them right from wrong and hope they listened and make good choices and decisions throughout their life. We can't hand hold them forever. You are right, choose your battles wisely.
DD
10:51 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Sorry, below is the article on the alternative dance referenced above.
http://thegazette.com/2012/02/02/linn-mar-students-organizing-alternate-grindfest-dance/
KG
12:22 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
I am agree that both Facebook and many of these opinions are becoming excessively belligerent. To say dumb keeps getting dumber and you are totally ignorant has no place in open dialogue. When you disagree with the children you say you are teaching to be moral and to make adult choices, what do you call them...idiots? We live in a country where we can agree to disagree without being abusive. I personally don't want people dirty dancing in front of me, but there is the choice to move away and the right of the school and chaperones to call the culprits out and ask them to stop or to leave. Come on, people, at least discuss this like adults instead of deciding that everyone must agree with you or they are idiots, immoral, uneducated, bad parents etc. what happened to open polite debate at a school board hearing? Grow up.
CJ
2:42 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012
I have been told by a high school teacher (at a nearby HS) that she has personally found undies and used condoms on the dance floor after dances she has chaperoned. She has to push in the middle of large grinding crowds to break up the worst of the offenders like a bouncer!
It's very hard to listen to her numerous stories (yes there are More!) and wonder how HS will be for my kids. These are NOT college students over 18, they are 14-17 year olds who need to make proper choices and need help doing so sometimes. I realize that most children aren't involved in the above behaviors but how would you like to watch that all night and then clean up after it? My teacher friend certainly doesn't want to and she wears herself out trying to keep it from being obscene.
My question to the parents & teens who defend this type of dance is ... What kind of dancing will you want your grandchild or child to defend in the years ahead? I can't even imagine how much worse the dancing can get! It's foreplay on the dance floor! And PLEASE let's not pretend it isn't!
I know teens CAN dance and have fun without the grinding!! It's been done before! ;)
Samuel Kee
9:34 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
I am in full support of the administration's decision; great job protecting our kids and community and leading the way in this decision. After learning about this controversy, I decided to write an article titled, "Top Ten Reasons Why Not to Grind at Homecoming." For those interested, here's the link: http://samuelkee.com/2012/09/20/top-ten-reasons-why-not-to-grind-at-homecoming/
DD
7:56 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
FYI. The alternative dance was held on October 6th at the American Legion Hall. 200 tickets sold. Many students left or were thrown out of the school dance and attended the alternative dance. The LZHS chaperones were ridiculous in walking between the students, not allowing anyone to touch. Why have a dance, if you can't dance and charge the students $20-30 to attend. The alternative dance chaperones did not find the dancing offensive at all. American Legion would invite them back again. All well behaved, respectful students with no incidents. $900 was raised that has been donated to various charities.